(17-09-2020, 03:44 PM)NeilP Wrote: Beano, as regards 'Saved' you have a point and of course he brought it to make money it is indeed a rarity for anyone to buy a business and not wish to make money. However I look upon it as similar to Kerry Packer changing the way cricketers were paid it had the same effect it raised a lot more money for the teams and hence drivers.
If you re read my post I never said LM are making lots of money I asserted as a business investment that was their goal as indeed it is for nearly all business acquisitions.
I understand your "cut off my nose" comment but you are quite wrong. I will not watch because to me with all the changes I foresee it will no longer be F1 which is why I watch to start with. If wanted a participation sport to watch I would look elsewhere but I do not require that "feel good for everyone" factor in my F1 viewing.
Obviously you have a very different opinion which I totally respect but vehemently disagree with. Let me turn this back on you if you dislike the sport so much and want so many changes so it fits your likes more why do you watch? Why should it change because of people like you who (I assume) want so many changes? How does that make you and others like you any different from people like me who do not want to see major changes.
You know there is another possibility here that someone with money may like to consider. Maybe, just maybe there is a market for an 'everyone is equal' open wheel racing series to tour the world as F1 does.
What I feel people do not understand about F1 enough is its technical excellence. Do you really think the future of F1 will be that great if there is no advantage to improving the technology of the cars. At that stage companies will cease to push the boundaries because there will be no advantage to be gained and knowing if they do another rule change will follow to minimize or erase that advantage. Furthermore at that stage the likes of Mercedes and Ferrari will remove themselves from F1 completely then where will it be, and dont give me the stock reply of 'oh well'. It would be an unmitigated disaster. You just imagine how many lawsuits LM will be issuing then!!! Personally if LM do make many changes I hope Ferrari and Mercedes and maybe even Renault and Honda will form a new series of racing then I will be back to watch.
Do NOT take this personally I completely understand there are many, many people out there who fall totally in line with your views and that is just the way it is. I fear for a sport I have loved admittedly from a point of much ignorance compared to my knowledge of other sports for many years, there are large parts of me that still wish Bernie was in control.
Finally to answer your point about venues. Yes, I would rather see racing in other countries than to lose the DNA of the sport I admire so much. As Morini has said before me there are many ways to go to make money and as you say quite rightly, none of us here on this board are qualified to say which is the best way to go from a financial standpoint. The money making and business aspect of the sport is a whole other issue which is very complex but I do feel people such as yourself are totally not getting how many people the sport will lose if its DNA as I call it is drastically altered.
Neil
Just seen this and LOVE IT. so much I highlighted in red to cover as best I can
Using my laptop so hopefully better.
1. My bad, I read that as they are in the current climate making lots of money!My point was in this climate that is exactly not what they are doing! and guess they need to make back revenue and will need to think hard on that one?? Maybe go back to sponsors like tobacco I mean its ok to say drive don't drink (hypocritical considering what alcohol does to many lives!! driving or not). Thats just a thought but doubt that would even be considered in this day and age.
2. Yes you are right but that is a double edged sword also. If ratings continued to dwindle do you think they'd say "lets keep on plugging on" that's no business model that EVER worked or at least to my knowledge, but as we both agreed that business is best left to those better qualified. I do understand though yes if I can say what I say then I have to apply that to myself and others on similar thinking also.
3. We've discussed this before in years gone by (my memory is still ok in that respect
) I remember A1 GP never worked but I would hazard lack of good names more than anything. That aside Neil I have never implied all team have to be spec I will say money need to be distributed evenly and costs need to be capped in the HOPE this can draw more teams and lets see rather than throwing hundreds of millions a bit more "here's your budget" now use your engineers and whomever else to build you the best car you can, at least that then gives ALL teams an equal footing and we may see the best teams innovate with the same money. My main issue is its become like Football, those who throw the most money at it generally win and that's not SPORT in its purest form. We can argue all day long (judging by you're massive posts
) on where the line is drawn on technical excellence and sport me thinks.
4. Are you in agreement that the show can move to wherever it needs to go to generate the revenue to continue? I am most certainly not of that disposition, I want to see Monza Spa Silverstone (Monaco can go) but happy to see new venues of course but a balance. Not saying that will happen but if the costs keep going up then bye bye Silverstone (home of F!) that doesn't bear thinking about for me at least.
In regards to Bernie hmmm I prefer to look at the bigger picture on that issue. Hence the old article , (two sides to every story and Bernie had some merit of course) Not his qualifying idea though eh last year or whenever it was!! He was getting on though in his defence.
Neil I wouldn't take your posts personally never have, never had need to either. I'll leave that to Forza
At the end when all is said and done we can agree to disagree on many points I never have a problem with that.