[pennywise]

I'll take what Massa said about both, over Jody (Scheckter that is)

Why? I mean, I'm being serious? What makes Massa's opinion more relevant that Jody Scheckters?

And on my own views on Alonso, I didn't say he couldn't drive well, but there are as good / better around and the bloke has been hyped to buggery over his career (unfounded hype, he's done jack shit since his last WDC). 2007 finished him as a driver and a man in my eyes. If he was that good he wouldn't have been out driven by a rookie. Plus, his behaviour that year was an absolute disgrace.

Nothing any of you can say will presuade me he's a special driver.

I agree ....in 2007 he thought Lewis would be easily beaten..he was wrong....then in a fit of envy and rage he dragged the sport into disrepute with his behavior..I'm still surprised McLaren had him back......his comments over the radio and his general demeanor during his McL days have shown him to be more a spoiled child than a F1 great.