(13-12-2023, 01:58 AM)PapaofGags Wrote: (12-12-2023, 11:52 PM)black Wrote: I'll keep Senna out of the conversation because his career was cut tragically short.
Win only win was his mentality, same as all the WDC's but with a large portion of Dick Dastardly lol.
Sport is all about our favourites, Nigel will always be my favourite, but in truth Senna is the best I've seen.
(13-12-2023, 10:08 AM)forzaferrari Wrote: Personally in my opinion there is very little to seperate those who I see as "the greatest", Michael and Ayrton, both had that desire to win at all costs.
Fans/people are always quick to try and tarnish Michael for what they see as questionable moves/blocks/passes and accidents, however few will compare or cast up those same incidents when it comes to Senna.......Michael and Damon had that infamous coming together in Adelaide but what of Senna`s accident with Prost in Japan.....something Senna later admitted to lying about.....Mosley even having to pen Senna`s confession to enable Senna to keep his points and championship.
Like I said from the outset, I see both Senna and Schumacher as the greatest of all time, however Michael will always be my favoured driver....just my opinion. No harm, no foul.
Yeah agree there isn't much between the sports greatest, had they been in each others car imo they would have achieved similar results, most of them had a ruthless streak, I'll come back to this.
I've read some of the drivers of that Senna Schumi era saying that Michael could never understand how Ayrton could get away with what he did yet he was pulled for it, maybe the times had moved on, or maybe it was because he was German lol, but also Ayrton was taken away while Michael was still around so there is still this aura about Senna, I suppose that's why millions of us around the world still see him with rose tinted spectacles, as M once posted "he did have an aura, inside & outside of the car"
As I said above "Sport is all about our favourites"
"I'll come back to this"
Gags wants to add that in his opinion, Fangio, Moss, Clark & Prost whilst having a ruthless streak will still be remembered as gentlemen drivers & thinks they are worth a mention in a greats chat.
(Lets forget for a moment Alain's French
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Most of us were Ayrton Senna fan's but I feel there could be more respect for Alain Prost, if Gags & I remember rightly he had, Lauda, Rosberg, Senna, Mansell & Hill, as team mates, all were or became a WDC.
Only twice Prost was beaten by a team mate for a WDC, Lauda & Senna.
Still French...
"When a man holds you round the throat, I don't think he has come to apologise"
Ayrton Senna on Nigel Mansell, SPA 1987.