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RE: 2019 Italian GP - morini - 09-09-2019

(09-09-2019, 02:46 PM)PapaofGags Wrote:  so just out of curiosity *If* Lewis does the same to Charles as I fully expect him to in the future would it be ok

No, it wouldn't be ok (for me at least) and I don't expect him to do anything like that either. In fact, you won't find any of the drivers who've been in the sport 10 years plus closing the door in such a dangerous way. I admire CLC's speed and he is having a mostly stellar season, but he has shown some naivety at times, that move was pretty stupid and smacked of inexperience rather than skill. It would have been a penalty anywhere but Monza.

Many a time have I heard Hamilton talk of how he adapts his racing behaviour depending on who he is racing (sign of a good racer). For example he leaves Vertappen much, much more room than he would Vettel because of Vertappens reputation of being unpredictably dodgy in the braking zones and not leaving space. Pretty damn sure he will put CLC in the same bracket after Sundays antics.

(09-09-2019, 02:46 PM)PapaofGags Wrote:  #LetThemRace  Big Grin

Yes, safely and respectfully within the boundaries of the track. Outside of that I'd maybe call not leaving space and forcing an opponent (who had the corner) to take avoiding action cheating.

Elbows out is fine, but there are limits.

RE: 2019 Italian GP - PapaofGags - 09-09-2019

(09-09-2019, 12:51 PM)PapaofGags Wrote:  Ok like after Canada when I took a different view to some, I do again.   Tongue 


  Papa was in the minority last time as well, no worries, not a problem, but those posted are my views. Wink

RE: 2019 Italian GP - morini - 09-09-2019

(09-09-2019, 03:55 PM)PapaofGags Wrote:  Papa was in the minority last time as well, no worries, not a problem, but those posted are my views. Wink

Yup, understood and no worries. But you're wrong IMO Wink Theres only one reason there wasn't a crash -> https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/sep/09/lewis-hamilton-monza-f1-charles-leclerc

RE: 2019 Italian GP - NeilP - 09-09-2019

The problem with all the penalties both given and not given is the consistency of enforcement. It varies all the time from track to track and from driver to driver. The regulations should be clarified to the point where is little or no room for a variance of opinion.

To be honest you can also say that about most sports right now. Big American football fan that I am its so frustrating to see rules applied differently from game to game, soccer too.

I do not begrudge Charles his win but I am also guilty because it was him I was not so mad had it been Verstappen I would like I said above be super pissed off.

That being said enjoyed the race just wish I followed my gut feeling and made Leclerc my captain for the race!

RE: 2019 Italian GP - PapaofGags - 10-09-2019

(09-09-2019, 03:17 PM)pennywise Wrote:  do we all now have 1 illegal move to make before a penalty??
(09-09-2019, 11:08 PM)NeilP Wrote:  The problem with all the penalties both given and not given is the consistency of enforcement.

Yes Ian certainly looks like it mate, the FIA have changed their stance to let them race, I don't care if I'm in the minority, I like it much better than going to the steward's every time wheels touch, nice one for sizing your post in a way that I could read it without my glass's Wink


Agree Neil, hoping this new FIA era deals with this.  Smile



https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-change-driving-leclerc-precedent/4537677/

Hamilton says he will change the way he races after Monza.

"I don't think there's an issue, if that's how we're able to race then I'll race like it," he said. "As long as we know you're allowed to not leave a car's width, and you don't have to do that now.

"As long as you're not contradicting us, as long as we've got a clear message, that we're allowed to run wide if someone's there and you only get a warning flag.

"Then you only need that once to potentially keep the guy behind you. As long as it's clear, and that's the way going forwards, then it's fine.

"It's just so I know how to go into battle, same for all the drivers."


The FIA has worked with teams to review various incidents from this season and earlier, to establish how it can enforce the rules without being draconian.

It is hoped this will allow more so-called racing incidents to pass without a penalty having to be applied, and one example of this being enforced is the revival of the black/white warning flag.

RE: 2019 Italian GP - forzaferrari - 10-09-2019

(10-09-2019, 10:55 AM)PapaofGags Wrote:   nice one for sizing your post in a way that I could read it without my glass's

I just thought Ian was shouting  Tongue

RE: 2019 Italian GP - NeilP - 10-09-2019

Interesting points of view and I cannot disagree with him....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/49629863

RE: 2019 Italian GP - PapaofGags - 10-09-2019

(10-09-2019, 11:16 AM)forzaferrari Wrote:  
(10-09-2019, 10:55 AM)PapaofGags Wrote:   nice one for sizing your post in a way that I could read it without my glass's

I just thought Ian was shouting  Tongue



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpVhSx0fZwM (1min 35s)


Come on Forza, it must have been to help my poor eye sight, you will never find a Scotsman shouting, Its not in their nature.... Hehe  Laughing

RE: 2019 Italian GP - forzaferrari - 10-09-2019

(10-09-2019, 03:10 PM)NeilP Wrote:  Interesting points of view and I cannot disagree with him....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/49629863

I would read it Neil but im allergic to the bbc  Tongue

RE: 2019 Italian GP - Antilochos - 10-09-2019

Although it was a enjoyable race, there is a thing that annoys me.

It is not Leclerc going wide and forcing Hamilton off track (like you guys know, I don't mind a bit of dirty racing). It is Leclerc missing the chicane and getting to keep that advantage. I don't understand how nobody in F1 talks about that. And how fast FIA told us after that move there would be no concequences, it boggles my mind.
What would happen if all drivers would do that? What is the bloody point of having a chicane?

O, now I think of it that was not the only thing. Q3, we got that fiasco as well to remind us of Italy...